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It's time now for North Garrity and Space Station.

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For the past seven years, North Garrity has been doing research into UFO, unidentified

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flying objects.

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Mr. Garrity is a veteran of two-year study in the airborne missiles with the U.S. Air Force,

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and is considered Florida's leading authority on UFO.

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And now here is Mr. Garrity.

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Good evening friends.

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It's Saturday night, and it's time once again for the strange, the unusual, and the unexplained.

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And tonight, as we promised you last week, we have a guest, all away from Toronto, Canada,

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to guest, I should say.

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Gene DuPlan-Tier and his wife, Eileen.

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And Gene is the editor of a UFO publication called Space, Science, and Saucers.

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And we've quoted from this publication from time to time.

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Gene has been putting out this publication from Toronto for the past three and a half years.

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Now, of course, like everyone else, he gets rich on this, just like I do, and one of these

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days he'll be able to retire.

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But in the meantime, he works as a commercial artist for the Financial Post in Toronto.

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And his wife, Eileen, who helps him with this publication, is a stenographer and dancing instructor

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when she's not getting wealthy with this UFO publication.

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Now, you do get wealthy on this, don't you, Gene?

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How else could I come down here?

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How else could he come to Florida on a vacation?

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I happen to know that, like all other people in this, he's lucky to be able to make enough money

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to buy his stamps as myself.

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Sometimes I have to take it out of the pocket to buy the stamps, and I've got a hunch he does, too.

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Now, I've been on vacation now here for a week or so in Miami.

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This is not your first time here.

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How are you enjoying it?

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Oh, very much, Norbert.

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I love the sun and the beautiful clear atmosphere, but not the fluridated water.

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You haven't got that up in Canada yet, have you?

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Not yet, but we're supposed to sometime.

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They're working on it?

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They certainly are, but there are a number of other people working against it, too.

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Well, enlist all you can to work against it, including your wife.

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We're against it here, too, but what happens, we don't know.

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Now, let's take a moment out before we interview these two very nice people from our neighboring country of Canada on the north.

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We get along much better with our neighbors on the north than we do the south.

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Let's take a moment out to talk about sea view awnings, and then we'll find out what's been going on up in Canada for the past three and a half or five or ten years.

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Mr. and Mrs. Homeowner, are you a window slave?

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Does every sudden shower send you scurrying to close the windows?

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And the rainy season is here, so watch out for those rugs, floors, and furnishings, and keep them safe from the rain.

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Don't be a window slave.

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Keep the rain out with sea view awnings, and ask your neighbors who have sea view awnings, and they'll tell you that sea view awnings are the best.

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Don't let the sun fade your rugs, your slip covers, and your house will be 15 degrees cooler with awnings.

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So call sea view for a free home survey at plaza 83632.

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At sea view at plaza 83632.

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No money down in convenient terms.

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Remember, better living will start for you with sea view.

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So call the Monday Morning Plaza 83632 for a free home survey.

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Now, Gene, you have had some interesting items that I have used over the years here.

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Some I have used partially, some complete.

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But one of them I remember in particular, several years ago, was the Galt Ontario report by Jack Stevens, a 15-year-old boy,

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back in July of 1957, July 30th.

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Can you fill us in on this?

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Who was Jack Stevens, and what did he see, and where did this happen in all this business?

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Well, Jack was just an ordinary schoolboy who was out one day walking with his dog, Tex,

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and he quite often took little walks through the country.

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And this particular morning, he was four miles from Galt walking on a farmer's field.

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And he heard a noise, something like a dynamo in the air, and it was a very unusual sound,

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not having experienced anything like that before, and he saw this very bright light coming towards him.

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And it came over the trees and more or less hovered in the air for a few seconds,

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and then came straight down onto a gully, and there seemed to be a radiation or a red flame from underneath it,

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although it wasn't flame, it was just a very bright red light.

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And it appeared to land on the ground, although he couldn't see that for sure,

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because he was halfway down the field on a hill, and there was very tall grass covering the bottom part of this machine.

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Now, it was about 35 feet in diameter, and it was about 12 feet tall.

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That's about as well as he could judge from where he was standing, and he was about 300 yards from it.

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And this disc had a dome on it, and the outer area was spinning very rapidly,

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with a bright light down below on the outer flange.

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While the center part finished spinning, and he could see that there were lines coming down from the dome down to the outer flange.

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And as the whole thing stopped, there were little portholes, and from inside there was a very bright light coming from them.

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And he saw this thing there for about 45 minutes, and his dog was barking very wildly,

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and Jack himself, in his own words, was petrified at the sight of this thing, because he had never seen anything like it before.

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What time of the day was this?

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That was approximately 10.30 in the morning, and he could see no one come out from this thing,

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and it landed right next to some bushes and trees, and from there there was a path going down to a little lake

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or pond, as I would call it, and we found out later that this water was very pure,

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and galt is, they get their water from five artesian wells, and it has some of the purest water in that neighborhood.

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So we thought after that maybe some little men or creatures came out from there and filled up their buckets

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or hose lines or whatever it was, because we have noticed other stories similar where these craft have landed

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and have taken aboard fresh water, for some reason or other, but he could see no one,

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unless they had come out from the other side and were very small and were shielded by the craft itself

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and made a beeline for these bushes right for the path into the water.

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That's the only other explanation we can think of.

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How far was the craft from the water?

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I'd say it was about, oh, about 10 yards or so. It wasn't very far, because where the edge of this craft had touched the bushes,

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that is where the path began, and it was only a few yards to the water.

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And that path was on the opposite side of the boy?

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Yes, it was on the wrong side of him, so he couldn't see anything going down to the path,

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and I would think that he would have been able to see something being there for 45 minutes.

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Did this glow continue on the bottom of the craft during that time, or did it go out?

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and he couldn't see any glow afterwards because of the tall grass surrounding it.

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Well, let's come back to this in just a minute. First, I want to take a moment off for a public service announcement

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concerning J. Edgar Hoover's book, The Masters of Deceit.

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Now, J. Edgar Hoover, as you know, is the head of the FBI, and several years ago he wrote this book.

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It was put out in the hardcover editions, and just recently has been published in the Pocket Book Edition.

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So you can get this for 50 cents wherever books or magazines are sold.

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So pick it up at your drugstore or your favorite newsstand, and if your dealer doesn't have J. Edgar Hoover's book on hand,

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ask him why he doesn't. This could be important to you because all dealers should have this book in stock.

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This book will tell you what the Communist bosses are doing now to bring America to its knees,

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and you cannot be a well-informed American without having read this book.

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Remember, it's J. Edgar Hoover's book, Masters of Deceit, now out in the Pocket Book Edition for only 50 cents.

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Now, let's go back to Galt Ontario. During this time that he was watching it, you say it didn't move,

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and it made no noise whatsoever, it just absolutely still.

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No, once it landed there was no sound whatever from it, and it just seemed to sit there for that length of time.

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Now, of course, you didn't see this, you're having to take the boy's word second hand on this, right?

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That's right, yes.

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Anything else that he said that might shed light on this at this particular time while it was there?

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Well, the only other thing would be that after a while the thing started to spin again,

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and it rose vertically in the air, and it went back in the direction from which it came.

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and he was very upset about it, and he only told his parents at the time,

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and told no one else until the following Saturday about his experience.

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And during that time that he was there, the dog continually barked, he'd never quit.

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I mean, apparently the dog was quite excited about this.

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Yes, he was. As you've heard sometimes, dogs or cats are able to see things that humans can't end.

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Maybe this dog saw something that Jack didn't, maybe that's what scared him.

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Or maybe he could hear something that Jack couldn't hear too very possibly,

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he had much better hearing than a human does, the dog.

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Now, when did you go out to investigate this, and when you did, what did you find?

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Well, when I went out there, Jack took me to the place, and we noticed these prints in the ground.

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Now, it was an uneven triangle, and these prints seemed to have three toes and a heel mark.

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And it's as if this thing came down with some force at an angle.

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And instead of being the ordinary 15 foot equilateral triangle between the prints,

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there was a distance of 14 feet, 15 feet, and 17 feet.

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And not only that, this triangle was not in the center of the circle,

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but was off to one side, which was an unusual aspect of this case.

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Jack put his hand down on the area that this object covered,

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and he noticed that his hand turned a slight purple color.

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So he took his hand off there, and within a few hours, it gradually returned back to normal.

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Now, these prints themselves were about 18 inches long,

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and the impression that it made into the ground was about two inches deep,

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and the strange thing was that instead of being compressed ground,

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you could, say, even put your finger down into the soil,

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and it would go for about four inches through it, as if it was fine talcum powder.

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Sort of pulverized, huh?

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That's right, yes.

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Now, I run into a case of something like that very much myself,

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and we're not going to take time out to go into that.

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We're going to let you carry on with yours.

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All right.

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We had a man there in Galt who ran a chemical ground analysis laboratory,

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and he found many properties in the ground that were unusual.

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One of them was a blue-purple radiation from the soil samples that he had taken from this spot,

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and he noticed that no matter which way he pointed them through a microscope,

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that this blue-purple radiation faced the north.

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Now, we have to take time out every so often for one of our sponsors,

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so we're going to come back to the radiation and the purple coloring and the soil in a moment,

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but we're going to tell you about Sally's Natural Foods at 129 Southeast 1st Avenue in Miami,

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and that's opposite the Grayland Hotel.

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Today, when the prevention of disease and the correction of our mineral deficiencies are so necessary,

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it is important that we have natural foods to develop nutritionally well-balanced bodies.

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So, why put off until tomorrow the thrilling adventures in enjoying good food from the health food store

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and our health food store that we want you to get acquainted with,

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your nutrition center in your neighborhood is Sally's Natural Foods at 129 Southeast 1st Avenue in downtown Miami.

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We're going to find out some things about the soil up in Canada here that made things grow faster and bigger and better,

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and we hope more nutritional, so maybe we can send the people out to galt on terrio to grow some food in this spot

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in this 35-foot diameter and maybe we'll get some better food to send to Sally's health food store.

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What did the man find from the soil samples that he tested?

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Well, there were some wheat sheaves in the field along with most of the hay and whatnot,

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and he managed to get some grain samples in that 35-foot diameter area,

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and it wasn't for a while, of course, till he could grow them,

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and he found that the grain appeared much healthier and sturdier than elsewhere in the fields.

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Now, another thing he noticed that the ants in that area were much larger and stronger,

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and the ant hills were much higher than the ordinary ones that were surrounding this round spot.

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How long did this take to take effect with the ants and the ant hills?

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Oh, this was a matter of a number of weeks to a month or two,

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and he noticed once they got this radiation or whatever it was, it seemed to affect them.

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Another thing, this fellow took a number of soil samples and jars,

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and one of them was a little spider that accidentally got in the jar,

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and a number of weeks later, this spider grew to ten times its normal size.

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He's a monster!

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It sounds like it, doesn't it?

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How big was he to begin with? There's a problem. Ten times ten feet is a hundred feet.

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Let's hope he wasn't ten feet to begin with.

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No, I think he grew to about a quarter of an inch, so he must have been a very small spider.

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Well, maybe he would have grown anyway.

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Well, this fellow, he did quite a good job on it, and he found these other spiders,

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and they still kept their original size, so all he could figure was there was something in the soil

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that made him grow that large.

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So his brothers and sisters didn't get a dose of this?

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Evidently not.

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Unless he went back to the field and could find some more, but he didn't find any more.

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It was just this one lucky one, you might say. They got the extra dose.

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Well, maybe he knows his spiders, I hope so. I don't know my spiders. Go ahead.

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Well, another thing he did, he put six-inch-long nails into another jar of this soil.

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How much did they grow?

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Well, it was kind of shocking.

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He put some probes onto them from a galvanic meter, which measures the strengthened direction of electric current,

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and he noticed that the dial went right over to the other side, showing that there was electricity in the ground.

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And this was shown right on the Kitchener TV station, and so he had many witnesses for this effect.

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Although when we visited him, this dial only went about halfway over,

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so this charge just dissipates itself into the air, I guess, in a matter of time,

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and of course we didn't have that big showing on the meter.

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Now, anything else that this pseudoscientist found out? I don't know, he's a scientist or not.

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A pseudoscientist.

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Well, he couldn't fix the polarity of this charge at all, and it was very elusive, as he said.

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That's about all he could find out from this thing, except that he was going to grow more samples from the grain that he had grown,

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and we sort of lost track of them.

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Did you find out what happened the following year in the same spot?

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Did the same thing happen, or did you have no reports on that?

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No, there were no reports, and things gradually died out in that area.

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Although Jack has been looking for this machine to come back again, or a similar one,

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but he has never seen anything since then, and that's right up to date.

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Everything died out, including the spider.

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Just about, yeah.

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Now, how about the boy, the 15-year-old boy, Jack Stevens, what was your opinion of him,

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and how about his parents, how did they take this?

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and this thing kind of interrupted things, and no doubt it showed on his school marks a bit.

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well, have you seen any flying saucers today, Jack?

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And he was more or less ridiculed, and he was actually sorry that he had seen anything like this in the first place.

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he said, no, he hasn't seen anything, and he actually doesn't want to see anything anymore,

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and I think his parents have something to do with that, because it would take quite a lot from his studies

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thinking about these unusual things, whereas he should be concentrating on his schoolwork and getting an education.

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Now, Eileen, we haven't even talked to you yet.

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Now, that's not normal here for us not to talk to the wife of the team here.

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You were out there as well, and you saw some of these things, and you talked to the boy.

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Do you have anything to add that your husband may have flipped up on and missed,

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or any observations that you made that he didn't see?

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No, I just wanted to mention when you were asking about Jack,

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Gene mentioned that they didn't want this saucer to interfere with his studies,

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but actually Jack wasn't a great one for schooling, and I wanted just to mention that.

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I don't know what effect that would have on the story.

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I mean, he had no imagination, so I don't think he could make up a story like that.

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He didn't strike me as the type to make a story up.

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But what I meant was he wasn't the intellectual type.

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And he didn't read a lot of science fiction?

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I don't think he read anything very much to be quite frank from knowing him.

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Not even in school lessons, huh?

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Now, let's take a... well, before we do that, while we joke about these things sometimes,

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we know there's a very good possibility that this sort of thing can happen.

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We have come across many cases, newspaper clippings that have been sent to us,

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burnt out areas found mysteriously that no one knows how they happened.

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and couldn't sleep at night, he got up at 3 o'clock in the morning and so forth in the summer

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and he went out and sat beside the pump or the well,

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and he saw something land in the field, a glowing light.

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to see any such strange thing.

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But the following morning there was a, I think it was a 13-foot circle,

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burned out not all through the circle, but just the outside rim.

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And apparently the Air Force knows that these things do happen

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because I have here before me the Air Force Operations and Training Memorandum,

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page 15 of this memorandum that was put out on the 24th of December of 1959

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in which the Air Force says,

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UFOs are serious business.

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And they tell how the intelligence officer or the provost marshal of the base

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should investigate UFOs and some of the things that he should have

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besides an investigative background, if possible, a scientific or a technical background,

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he should be, and now we quote from this operations and training memorandum,

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he should be equipped with binoculars, camera, Geiger counter,

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a compass, certainly ties in the radiation, magnifying glass and have a source

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for containers in which to store samples.

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but grows 10 times the normal size to store in these jars

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We're going to tell you about the schedule of lectures

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and if you could make all of this week,

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and they have such people as Dr. Schwartz and Herb Philbrick,

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the counterspy with the FBI and the man whom the television series,

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I Led Three Lives, was based upon, and he will be here for a number of these lectures.

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and I can get you in touch with the individuals who can give you more information on this.

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Now let's go back to our guest here, Jean and Eileen Duplantier.

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I try to pronounce this the English way because the French way throws me almost here.

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So we'll see.

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What do they call this up in Canada? They pronounce it the French way or the English?

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Well, where I come from, it's the English way. Duplantier.

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Duplantier.

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And they give me the French again?

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Duplantier.

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Duplantier, say.

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That sounds kind of affected, so I don't bother with that.

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Well, we'll try to do this the English way because I don't think we have too many Frenchmen here in the listening audience.

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Now let's see. Well, I think we pretty well covered the Galt report.

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Now there are a few other things that we might want to cover up there.

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There's a man named Wilbur Smith that we've heard somewhat of down in this part of the country.

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It seems that he's an engineer up in Toronto and he's in charge or was in charge at one time of a tracking station.

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Oh, he's in Ottawa, not in Toronto.

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A tracking station that was set up at Shirley Bay, Ontario, and was closed down after some time.

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At least the story we got here.

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Well, it was one of these billion dollar affairs or whether it was just a little a homemade workshop affair, but maybe you could fill us in on this.

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What was this?

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And it was written up in a number of publications and so forth.

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What sort of a investigative procedure was this?

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Well, he knew there was something going on in the sky and he wanted some material in the way of detectors and one thing and another.

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And the government had extra equipment that they weren't using at the time and he asked for a loan of them.

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And there wasn't anything too expensive and they gave him this little shack in Shirley's Bay to store this equipment.

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And they never did really get anything except just once after quite a number of months when the detector went haywire that something was overhead.

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But they could never prove one way or another what it was, but they knew something unusual had gone overhead because airplanes, which did the same thing, did not affect this instrument.

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And so after more or less fruitless research up there, they disbanded and Mr. Smith just went back to investigating on his own again.

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Because the Air Force thought well he had fooled around enough with this and they didn't want to get their name mixed up too much with it.

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It was already getting mixed up. That's probably why they stopped it.

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That is the reason, yes.

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Well, what do you think of this man, Wilbur Smith? Is he just an amateur researcher like ourselves or is he quite a reputable engineer or what is he?

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Well, evidently he's quite a well-known engineer up there. I think he's head of one of the departments and he's a very intelligent person and he sure can talk a blue streak.

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He's a marvelous person for you to have down here. I'm sure he could give you much more information than I could on activities in Ontario.

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He lectures and talks to a great many people and has a great use of the English vocabulary so that he can really say things that you may need a dictionary once in a while to understand what he's saying.

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Well, we can find a lot of people that can do that. I keep a dictionary in my elbow all the time. Once in a while I even open it.

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Most of the time I just prop my elbow on it or curse.

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And if you're not a Do-It-Yourself fan and you don't know one part of a radio from the other except the knobs like me.

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And now back to Gulf Ontario with our guests of the evening tonight, Gene Duplantier and his lovely wife Eileen Duplantier.

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Who is the stenographer and keeps the files straight and all this sort of thing that I don't seem to manage to be able to do around here.

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I usually have to hunt a while before I can find anything in my files.

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Now something I wanted to mention before we go into any more of these investigations up in Canada.

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In case you missed it, they did bring up more of this wreckage of this plane in the Banana River up near Jacksonville,

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between Jacksonville and Daytona Beach.

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And they found it was not one of the five Avengers that disappeared back in 1945 from Fort Lauderdale on December the 5th of 1945.

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Now I was rather hoping this would not be one of them and of course that's the way it turned out.

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Because they would have spoiled a perfectly good mystery.

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And now on the other hand if one of them disappeared by falling into this narrow water known as the Banana River,

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did they all five fall into this and what happened to the PBY that went out to search for them.

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So just as well in my opinion that this was not one of those crafts because here's a perfectly good mystery that would have been shot all the pieces.

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If it had turned out to be one of those or maybe it would have given us a bigger mystery.

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Where are the other five? Where are the other four Avengers and where's the other PBY?

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Anyway it's one of the Navy's greatest mysteries still unsolved.

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Now let's see what we can find in the way of mysteries up in Canada.

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Now you have a report up there of not too recent vintage I guess of six months or so ago of a Captain Ward with Trans-Canada Airlines

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that saw something up in the area. Where was it up around Quebec, Montreal?

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Yes he was on a flight from seven islands Quebec down to Montreal.

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And when he was about halfway which was just about over back at the Ville, Quebec,

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he noticed this pink light in the sky and then there was another pink light like rings emanating from the center of this bright light.

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And his passengers and crew members noticed this and there happened to be two CF-100 jets in the area at the time and they noticed that.

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Those were the planes of the Royal Canadian Air Force.

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Then I believe there was a Lufthansa passenger airliner flying over New York State that noticed this and I think there was one other airliner that saw this phenomenon in the sky.

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So he had many witnesses even more so than probably Captain Killian on his run to Detroit a little while ago.

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We had one of our friends in Quebec investigating the case and although he didn't say too much when he was talking to Captain Ward,

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he sent a letter to him asking for more information and he also phoned him but after that there was no answer and no return letter.

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So whether the silence group had gotten to him or not, that's something maybe we'll never know unless of course in the interim while I've been here, he has been able to get in touch with him.

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This fellow that investigated him was told that there were a couple of intelligence officers into Canada to keep him quiet.

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Although on investigating this he could find no evidence of this.

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Now this may have just been a scare campaign to keep him from investigating further into this saucer mystery.

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It's hard to say but if he was happened to be a nervous character it might have succeeded in keeping him from investigating any more saucer activity in Canada.

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Well I've had cases where airline pilots have reported something here, pilots flying out of Miami and immediately after they were very hot on this

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and were excited about what they saw and had told other pilots who in turn had told me but by the time I got to them it wasn't a case of any pressure on them.

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It was just a case that they decided in 48 hours time that it would be far better if they didn't say anything about it or get any publicity and therefore they wouldn't get any ridicule.

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So it's very possibly that same case, wouldn't you think so in this case?

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I would think so. Actually I think there's very little truth in all this business about silence groups and having people and three men in black and so forth.

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I don't think that would happen too much especially in Canada because we don't have that much going on up there.

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It seems the saucer's seen it just visit rarely and so we don't have too much action going up there.

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You mean you don't have any bill collectors up in Canada? I've always told these people what these three men in black were.

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They were bill collectors who came around to collect bills from people who publish UFO publications and can't meet their expenses and you haven't been calling on?

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Not yet Norbert Norbert.

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How about you? Have there been any calling on you while your husband's been at work?

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No I just don't answer the door.

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See?

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She's scared already, already.

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Now maybe she was out with these four hunters. Did your wife ever go hunting with four hunters?

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As a case where they were driving along this trans-Canada highway I understand and something hovered over the car and paced them for a long time.

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Now we get those reports now and then. I don't think this one ever appeared in any newspapers did it?

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Well I believe this happened around Sunday of October 25th in 1959 and it is very similar to these cases that happened in 57 in a number of ways that they were trailed by this object for about 30 miles along this trans-Canada highway.

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These four hunters were coming back from their little expedition and this oval shaped loying object hovered over their car and went in front of it and came back and behind it and as I say it falls for about 30 miles.

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And they noticed that it was spinning but they didn't roll down the car window so they couldn't actually find out if it was making any noise.

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It seemed to be near enough to them that they could have heard some noise had they stopped the car which they did at one time and this object stopped right over the car but they still didn't open the windows.

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I think they were a bit too afraid of it.

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So when they got to town they told the people about it and should say that after this 30 mile ride that had followed them it suddenly veered off to one side and took off and just disappeared into the sunset you might say.

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So it did appear in the Port Arthur newspaper.

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That's about all I can tell you about that because they mention the names of the people but I haven't put them down here because they could be just about anybody that happened in many of these cases.

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They didn't say what these hunters were hunting.

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Well they probably were hunting deer or some animal something like that.

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There are an awful lot of woods up there and deer like to live around that district.

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Well maybe they didn't find any in there.

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They had some story to tell their wives when they got home.

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Well at least to spread some light in the subject there.

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Well we've had cases like that before.

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There have been five cases at least from South America where a doctor in a medical school Dr. Funtes you may have read some of those.

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Yes.

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And the case up in upstate New York where some man claimed that this thing had followed his car.

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The case up in North Carolina where this truck driver was scared to death when he came into the city and said this ball of light had followed his car on this lonely road.

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These things have happened apparently and I know of a case where a salesman this one I know personally was driving through a area over in the city.

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The area over in West Florida, Florida near Arcadia and a big light as big as the moon.

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He said came out of the sky and followed him along and for I'd say half a minute and then it boom it just took off.

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And he swears that this was something highly unusual.

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He had the feeling that something was watching him.

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Of course I imagine all over myself in a lonely place like this I would feel the same way.

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Even if nothing was watching me you know he was sober and a non drinking salesman.

409
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,000
I've known this salesman for a long time.

410
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,000
He called on me and my business.

411
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:40,000
He sold supplies for a photographic company and certainly a I'd say he was in his about his sixties and not a young lad out on any binge by any means.

412
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:48,000
Now if you had any contact claims up in Canada I know all the crackpots are down here in the United States.

413
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,000
Canadians are conservative.

414
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:51,000
Canadians are conservative.

415
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,000
We can use some conservatives.

416
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,000
Is that the reason they've been no claims?

417
00:40:55,000 --> 00:41:03,000
Oh I don't know whether they're not overly dramatic or anything actually and boys just certainly haven't had any claims of contacts.

418
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:10,000
Well the burnishers are conservative too but we've had some claims out in Great Britain you know out of England and Scotland even yet already.

419
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:11,000
Cedric Ellingham.

420
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:14,000
Maybe we haven't enough people.

421
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:17,000
I just get a few crackpots.

422
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:21,000
Any place you got people you got crackpots.

423
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:27,000
How about you Jean what are your opinions on that on the lack of contact cases from Canada.

424
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:45,000
Well actually I haven't heard of any true contact story except there have been a few cases of these mediums having contacted space people but who knows what they really are.

425
00:41:45,000 --> 00:42:01,000
If there's space people or just earthbound entities that haven't gone too far I don't know what they are but they give you a good line every once in a while with different things that are happening but of course there's no way of proving them.

426
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:07,000
No that's the problem with all of these contacts particularly the mental ones no proof.

427
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,000
You had something you wanted to say Eileen.

428
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:13,000
I was just thinking about the chap who his ancestors were in Martians.

429
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:16,000
We do come across a few odd ones.

430
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:19,000
A few odd models up in Canada.

431
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:22,000
Well I read that case.

432
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:26,000
I was not too very much impressed with it.

433
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:31,000
He seemed to be sort of a recluse or an eccentric living all by himself.

434
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,000
Wasn't he.

435
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:55,000
Yes that's right he lived in a small very small house and he kept to himself and he was building a sort of saucer craft in his back room and he went to a number of different industries there that machined the parts for him and he used to watch the men as they did it.

436
00:42:55,000 --> 00:43:01,000
He didn't get anything done in one place so they wouldn't know what part was for what or so they couldn't figure it out.

437
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:10,000
He was very careful because he didn't want anybody finding out what he was doing or stealing his invention.

438
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:15,000
So you don't know whether he ever succeeded in getting all these parts but the other even.

439
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,000
Well spare parts.

440
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:31,000
Well the first one he made was partly out of aluminum and he took it to Niagara Falls Ontario and he did fly for quite a while but the thing heated up and burnt the main parks out of it and of course he landed.

441
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:46,000
I don't know how far up in the air he got with it but from then on he was going to do the whole thing over in nickel and he was living in a little shack right off at the International Nickel Company so he was very handy to his parts.

442
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:51,000
Well I'll tell you what he should do next after we give you a message from the Le Mans studio.

443
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:56,000
Now this one is all a message in poetry here.

444
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:59,000
Now you can't blame that on me because I'm not a poet.

445
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:03,000
I've got a ghost writer and my ghost is a poet.

446
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:06,000
So let's see what the ghost writer has to say.

447
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:16,000
It was the 18th of April in 75 if only some men were now alive who felt the oppression of a foreign drive.

448
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:21,000
From their ranks would arise a voice to tell us clear we have no choice.

449
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:24,000
Our freedom was not easily won.

450
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:27,000
War is hell to every mother's son.

451
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:34,000
There has arisen in our midst a foe concealed with a mighty fist who chooses to lie and cheat and steal.

452
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:38,000
At best it is difficult with this enemy to deal.

453
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:43,000
Our weaker brothers have fallen prey to their methods and the things they say.

454
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:50,000
We watch and wait for we know not what yet we must act now or lose a lot.

455
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:53,000
Who amongst you has balanced the scale?

456
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:57,000
Will you live as free men or in slavery fail?

457
00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:00,000
Now read the newspapers carefully and well.

458
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:05,000
Then in groups discuss and tell all that you find that is wrong or right.

459
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:08,000
Together we can win this fight.

460
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:12,000
My ghost writer is quite a poet I would say wouldn't you?

461
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,000
Yes he is.

462
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:19,000
Now let's see where were we before we picked up ghost writing.

463
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:24,000
No we were with Mr. Pritchelsky from Port Colburn who was building the...

464
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:27,000
his nickel plated spying saucer.

465
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,000
Oh yes and the back green of the house.

466
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:34,000
And the first one got too hot with aluminum.

467
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:38,000
Now what he should have done is taken this to Niagara Falls and went over the falls,

468
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:43,000
not in a barrel but in his saucer and cooled it off.

469
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,000
But what did he find out with the nickel?

470
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:49,000
Well he was just constructing this thing when we visited him.

471
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:53,000
Although we were unlucky to see him at the time.

472
00:45:53,000 --> 00:46:01,000
But another one of my people that I was in contact with down in Buffalo had visited him.

473
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:10,000
And he had seen this machine in his back room and various other items from Mars that he had hanging on his wall.

474
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:16,000
Like pictures of animals that look very much like the ones we have here on earth.

475
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:20,000
And if I didn't know any better I would say they are the same.

476
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:23,000
But he told you they were from Mars so now you know.

477
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,000
Yeah I guess I have to believe him.

478
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:29,000
He didn't give you a pedigree or a sample.

479
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:32,000
He didn't give you a sample of his dog's hair.

480
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:38,000
No all this was according to my friend in Buffalo who had visited him.

481
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:43,000
He went down there but we waited for a whole day but we couldn't get hold of him.

482
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:50,000
Although we went to his house and looked in but no one was there and we were unlucky enough not to see him.

483
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:52,000
We were lucky enough not to see him.

484
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,000
As I said we were lucky enough not to see him.

485
00:46:54,000 --> 00:47:00,000
You never know you might have quite a distract me in this thing and made the thing take off and I might not be here tonight.

486
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:02,000
Bye bye Gene.

487
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,000
Where did he get all this nickel?

488
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:08,000
Was it just an accident that there was a nickel company across the highway?

489
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:11,000
And did they mind if he got his nickel there?

490
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:15,000
No as long as he has the money they'll make anything for the people.

491
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:18,000
Well he didn't get these parts from their scrap pile then.

492
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:22,000
No he had to have it engineered the way that he wanted.

493
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:28,000
He drew the diagrams to the milling of an inch I suppose and they had to machine them right there.

494
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,000
Under his watchful eye.

495
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:34,000
Yes that's right so he did it correctly he didn't want any mistakes this time.

496
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:39,000
Well I don't blame him you can't trust earth people so that's why you've got to watch these things.

497
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:47,000
Now to get this on to Wilbur Smith again I understand he made some kind of a magnetic detector.

498
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:51,000
Did you see that or know anything about it?

499
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:59,000
I've never seen it but he drew a diagram for us and it consists of a metal pipe and a piece of nylon cord

500
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:05,000
and a little indicator on a scale.

501
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:11,000
And it seems that when you go to different areas of the provinces of Ontario or Quebec

502
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:14,000
which is the only place he has tried it out

503
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:18,000
he noticed that this indicator goes to one side of the scale.

504
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:24,000
And in there he's found something unusual in the air which he calls the binding force of matter.

505
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:30,000
And in Quebec there was a certain area where an airplane had crashed

506
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:40,000
and a number of lives were lost and he took this little gadget up there and he noticed the dial going right to

507
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:48,000
at least the pointer going right to the end of the dial showing that there was this binding force in the air.

508
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:55,000
Now he went back there about two months later and he noticed this force was no longer there.

509
00:48:55,000 --> 00:49:05,000
And going from various places he noticed that there were areas where this force was concentrating

510
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:12,000
and he has a theory that if a plane should fly through this area that it could disintegrate

511
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:20,000
or cause some part of the motor or airplane to malfunction and thereby cause a crash.

512
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:27,000
Now there is one thing he's not sure of whether this force just dissipates into the air after a while

513
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:34,000
not saying where it comes from originally or whether it just moves on as if a cloud would have moved over a field.

514
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:38,000
Is this what we hear referred to at times as a magnetic vortex?

515
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:41,000
Yes, I think that is what he's referring to.

516
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:48,000
He noticed that this little instrument can also detect great amounts of radiation in the air

517
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:53,000
especially a few years ago when many atomic bombs were being set off in Nevada.

518
00:49:53,000 --> 00:50:01,000
And of course the fallout and the wind would blow over the northern section of the states and into Ontario

519
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:07,000
which dips very greatly into the states if you should look at a map.

520
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:13,000
And of course we would get some of this area that the fallout would fall into.

521
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:19,000
Well was this an area of a stronger magnetic field or a weaker magnetic field?

522
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:23,000
No, this was a stronger magnetic field.

523
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:28,000
For the ordinary areas that he covered he set this little indicator at zero

524
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:34,000
and then he would have it going up a number of tens of numbers.

525
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:41,000
And when you would get into one of these vortexes the nylon cord would tighten up very much

526
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:45,000
and turn the indicator up to one of the higher numbers.

527
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:50,000
And although it wasn't there to see this indicator showed that there was something there.

528
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:54,000
Now you say a nylon cord this doesn't sound much like magnetic.

529
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:58,000
It would have to be metal, wouldn't it, to operate magnetically?

530
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:02,000
Well he had, there probably was something more to this.

531
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:10,000
There was the metal pipe and the little loops that he had at either end of this pipe to hold it.

532
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:14,000
And there might have been something in that.

533
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:19,000
He says that he got this from sources that he didn't wish to name at the time

534
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:25,000
because they were unorthodox and he was just experimenting with this

535
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:31,000
but he found out from these sources that there was something to this that he was told.

536
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:37,000
Mr. Polkrzewski, did he get them from the nickel company across his street?

537
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:39,000
Not so far away.

538
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:45,000
But we know that Wilbur Smith is more scientifically minded from what we get down here

539
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:52,000
and from what I have read of a number of his writings he seems to be a very intelligent individual.

540
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:57,000
Yes he is and I don't think he would fool around with any foolish contraption

541
00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:00,000
unless it had some worth attributed to it.

542
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:09,000
Nylon cord, I don't know whether nylon tightens up depending on the moisture content of the air or not

543
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:14,000
is it possible that this could have been strictly a case of humidity in the air that wasn't doing this?

544
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:23,000
Well it could have been but he said that the only thing that was any good to use for this instrument was nylon cord.

545
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:31,000
So he must have experimented before or was just told from his contacts who told him about this

546
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:33,000
that that was what he should use for it.

547
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:41,000
The whole story is kind of elusive and up in the air so it's hard to say what is what.

548
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:43,000
I just have to take his word for it.

549
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:51,000
I don't know why that story should be so elusive when everything else in this field is so solid and factual and true.

550
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:57,000
Well it just shows to go you that there are strange things going on no matter where you are

551
00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:05,000
and up in Canada the population of course is not nearly as concentrated as it is here in the United States.

552
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:11,000
I was rather surprised a little earlier in the evening when I asked you about the population of Canada

553
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:15,000
and you said 18 million is that right for the entire Canada?

554
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:19,000
Yes it won't be that shortly and by the end of the year probably

555
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:21,000
they think it will be about 18 million.

556
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:27,000
Canada comprises an area in square miles equal to the United States doesn't it?

557
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:34,000
Yes and very much more than that but it's mostly rocks and woods and full of wolves and deers

558
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:42,000
and of course when you get up north there's not nothing but tundra and snow and what not like that.

559
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:46,000
There's very little populace up in the North Country.

560
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:52,000
The people are mostly settled along the southern most part of Canada

561
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:55,000
which naturally borders right along with the states.

562
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:58,000
And along the St. Lawrence River.

563
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:03,000
How big is Montreal and Quebec in population? They're fairly large aren't they?

564
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:06,000
Well Montreal is Canada's largest city.

565
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:15,000
We have about 1 million, it's about 1,700,000 in metropolitan Toronto

566
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:19,000
and of course Montreal is over the 2 million mark.

567
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:21,000
It's a very huge city.

568
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:25,000
Bigger than Miami? Yes bigger than Miami.

569
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:32,000
I know I was up there and I couldn't find nobody to talk English with me.

570
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:37,000
Everybody wanted to talk French. How about in Toronto?

571
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:42,000
Well in Toronto at the moment we have a very cosmopolitan crowd.

572
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:48,000
There are many people from Europe coming over so it is getting to be a city more or less like New York

573
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:53,000
where many languages are spoken and it is not like it was many years ago

574
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:59,000
when we had English, Irish and Scotch and a few assorted Europeans.

575
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:04,000
Now we have a great many Europeans over there and consequently the city has grown drastically

576
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:07,000
in the last 10 to 15 years.

577
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:11,000
It is you might say a boom town or a boom city.

578
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:13,000
Now you have more Scotch than ever.

579
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:16,000
Yeah just about. You go to the right places.

580
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:18,000
Scotch in every city.

581
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:25,000
Now tell me, we only have a couple of minutes left here, tell me how it is that you happen to come all the way down here to Miami on vacation

582
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:29,000
when you've got all this beautiful Canada up there to visit.

583
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:31,000
What's so nice about Miami?

584
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:40,000
Well for one thing we don't have the tropical growth and we don't have nice warm Atlantic waters off the coast of Florida.

585
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:52,000
We have wonderful fresh air down here and lovely housing, the white houses and things of that nature we just don't have up there.

586
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:54,000
You have to come south if you want that.

587
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:55,000
No wonder.

588
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:58,000
And how about you Eileen, what is it you like about this area?

589
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:03,000
Well everything he said plus the lovely warm water for swimming.

590
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:08,000
I love swimming and it's, well, the warmest you would get it.

591
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:13,000
There wouldn't be 70 degrees and even in the summer in the small lakes.

592
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:16,000
It might just barely be 70.

593
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:21,000
Yes I know. I was lived up in that part of the country on the St. Lawrence River for five years.

594
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:25,000
In fact the winters are so long up there.

595
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:29,000
I spent one winter up there, it was 22 months long.

596
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:32,000
Do you ever have any of those in tomorrow?

597
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:34,000
That's possible.

598
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:37,000
And you're going to spend a whole weekend one Sunday afternoon up there.

599
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:39,000
Things are going so well.

600
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:47,000
Well we're glad you came to Miami and we're glad you came out here to the asteroid belt for us to interview on the strange and the unusual up in Canada.

601
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:53,000
And when you come back again, look us up and we'll put you on the air again.

602
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:56,000
Thanks. It was a pleasure to have both of you as our guests.

603
00:56:56,000 --> 00:57:02,000
So you say goodbye to Mr. and Mrs. Miami because you're going back to Canada tomorrow, right?

604
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:04,000
Yes we are.

605
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:06,000
Thanks very much for having us here. We enjoyed it.

606
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:12,000
It was my pleasure. Now let's take a moment out to sign off with a message from the Gables Letter Service.

607
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:17,000
And we're going to quote from Winston Churchill's book The Gathering Storm.

608
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:25,000
Written in 1939 or of events in 1939 but applying today more than ever in 1961.

609
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:27,000
And we quote Winston Churchill,

610
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:31,000
If you will not fight when you have every chance of winning,

611
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:37,000
you may come to the place when you will have to fight when the chances of winning are very precarious.

612
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:42,000
Or you may have to fight when there is very little hope of achieving victory.

613
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:45,000
Or there may yet be a worse case.

614
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:52,000
You may have to fight when there is no chance of victory because it is better to die than to live as slaves.

615
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:55,000
Unquote Sir Winston Churchill.

616
00:57:55,000 --> 00:58:01,000
This has been a message from the Gables Letter Service and until next Saturday, once again, it's good night.

617
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:06,000
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618
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:10,000
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619
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:20,000
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620
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:25,000
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